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Post by paulclay on May 30, 2006 23:06:46 GMT
As a person who was given his chance to manage at Ossett Town and his son to play for the club - and as someone who even now his son has left for reasons that are well known I feel very sad and sorry to see the messages posted on this board. The recent events that someone described as being "spur of the moment" cannot be described as anything but cheating. The implications of which everyone has seemed to have overlooked with the clubs charter standard status something of which I was very proud. The in-fighting and back biting will serve the club no purpose at all. It now seems to me that the welfare of the boys and girls at the club must now be paramount. The whys and wherefores and the blame now have to be put to one side and the people who care need to stabilize the situation and the club must return to the heights it has attained before. Charter standard is a very serious matter without it there can be no club.Steps need to be taken to inform the FA that the guilty party has been removed from the Junior Club and steps have been taken to ensure that no Senior Member of the Committee will ever be in a position to influence any such event again. As for the general question of the Senior Club people make decisions who can walk to it. !!!!!!! The question that Tim may have been involved in something improper is absolutely shocking and I for one would like to thank Tim for his support and understanding in everything he did for the junior section.
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Post by thomo on May 31, 2006 10:28:51 GMT
In response to young tats. The reason,I think, for the poor take up in social membership is three-fold It's only recently been drafted into the constitution Not evryone is aware of it i.e not all Managers actively promote it What does anyone get for it. Why wait 5 years to have a say in how the club is run.
I'm sure there are records for who is a social member and I know of instances where social members have asked to be full members but have been told the books are closed, Chris Harrison for one a social member of over 5 years but told the books were closed.
The revenue generated by subscriptions is so insignificant in the scheme of things that the club don't seem to chase outstanding subs that may have just been overlooked. However it suits the current structure to keep the books closed, not for any carpetbagging issue but for control. A club with associates and assets of Ossett Town's size with only 40 members is a joke. If there was a real intention to protect the clubs best interests the membership would be open with an exclusion clause to prevent windfall rights, or at the very least to all associate members of say 3 years standing. The Junior section have records of players as required so therefore it would be easy to identify who would be eligible. Taking this a step further it could become a proper members club thereby reducing the number of people who benefit from the lower prices but don't actually contribute anything to its welfare.
On the fake id cards front nothing to report so am making the assumption this was a vicious lie from someone who a) had an axe to grind with Tim and b) who felt it may be a smokescreen from the match-fixing saga, but it will get a mention at the next junior meeting.
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Post by junior parent on May 31, 2006 20:33:11 GMT
As a person who was given his chance to manage at Ossett Town and his son to play for the club - and as someone who even now his son has left for reasons that are well known I feel very sad and sorry to see the messages posted on this board. The recent events that someone described as being "spur of the moment" cannot be described as anything but cheating. The implications of which everyone has seemed to have overlooked with the clubs charter standard status something of which I was very proud. The in-fighting and back biting will serve the club no purpose at all. It now seems to me that the welfare of the boys and girls at the club must now be paramount. The whys and wherefores and the blame now have to be put to one side and the people who care need to stabilize the situation and the club must return to the heights it has attained before. Charter standard is a very serious matter without it there can be no club.Steps need to be taken to inform the FA that the guilty party has been removed from the Junior Club and steps have been taken to ensure that no Senior Member of the Committee will ever be in a position to influence any such event again. As for the general question of the Senior Club people make decisions who can walk to it. !!!!!!! The question that Tim may have been involved in something improper is absolutely shocking and I for one would like to thank Tim for his support and understanding in everything he did for the junior section.
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Post by junior parent on May 31, 2006 20:49:04 GMT
could paul clay elaborate on"reasons that are well known"please.as i am concerned that a player has felt the need to leave the club.what age group did he represent and was there a problem within it and could it happen with other age groups?
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Post by Tim on Jun 1, 2006 7:29:37 GMT
It is with a slight feeling of regret and relief to inform everyone of my decision to stand down from the management committee and as Chairman of Ossett Town Juniors. My reasons are many, its time for new people to be involved with new ideas to take the junior section to the next level. The quality players are already there from all age groups with good people overseeing their progress. I almost stood down last year but i am very pleased i didn't as the U16's gave me a very proud season and i was honoured to be the chairman during their success. Secondly, recent re-newed fears over my health which have gladly passed have made me realise that i should devote more time to my family, who over the last 12 years have given me 100% support despite taking a back seat in my life. Relations between the junior section and Ossett Town are at a low, before i leave as chairman i hope to have started a healing process as i have spoken to Graham Firth and cleared the air over any disagreements Graham and i had which involved the juniors. How it progresses is in the respective committees hands, but i wish everyone well.
I have thoroughly enjoyed my time at the club, having achieved success as a manager with 3 league titles that hopefully started us on the road to where we are now.
We have met some wonderful people who have become good friends and witnessed some terrific players pass through our books, who have given me great memories to cherish.
There are many people i would like to thank for all their help and support over the last 12 years: all my old players - Paul Clay - Dave Woodall - Helen Furniss - Paul Hitch - Steve and Belinda - Lloyds Fellows - Paul Watson - James Rogers - Nick Smith - Graham Firth and many more of the current people involved with the running of the club. Going back further: Brenda & Alan S - Dennis - Kev and Debs - Dave Sharp and a greatly missed Sue O'Brien and even Pete Williams (sorry if i missed anyone) All the players from all teams and different walks of life (many characters) Special Thanks to Thomo who has become a very good friend for all kinds of reasons and finally a special word of thanks to my own son John who 1st got me involved with junior football and made me proud to be involved with such a great club.
Good Luck to everyone for the future
Tim
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Post by James Rogers on Jun 1, 2006 9:19:18 GMT
On behalf of Ossett Town under 10's, I would like to thank Tim for all his efforts, time, commitment, advice, support and above all his enthusiasm for leading the junior section of Ossett Town football club over the years. All the very best for the future
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Post by Alan and Brenda on Jun 1, 2006 9:54:51 GMT
We have fond memories of the early Junior days, and Tim will never be forgotten for his overwhelming enthusiasm and loyalty to the Junior section. Thankyou Tim for everything you have done, which has been above and beyond the call of duty. You will be an hard act to follow ! We wish you and your family well for the future. Alan and Brenda
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Post by pparwvfosdaxsn on Jun 1, 2006 18:39:50 GMT
Re concerned parent, junior guest My son spent 7 very happy and very successful years at Ossett Town winning silverware that we haven't got room for. The reason he left was at under 12 level boys of that age find a lot of different things they can do. players were in short supply and we couldn't get the quality and numbers to keep them in the league they were in. I would like to thank Tim Asbury who I worked with extensively over those years. Will you please stop posting on this board and insulting each other - it serves no purpose and continues the problems with no resolve.
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Post by Young Tats on Jun 1, 2006 19:10:56 GMT
no boys in the ossett area at 11-12 years old who wanted to play football? "we couldn't get the quality and numbers to keep them in the league they were in" what does the quality and league matter just out of interest?
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Post by tats is a Idiot on Jun 1, 2006 20:07:54 GMT
a lot you Idiot
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Post by Young Tats on Jun 2, 2006 11:19:55 GMT
i promise that i will stop posting on this forum after this-
does everyone at ossett town juniors think that winning games and silverware(!) are the only important things in junior football, it's no wonder sam allardyce and david beckham suggest that in then years time the quality of young english players will diminish. i'm well documented on this subject but it is schools of excellence and district teams that take the cream of young players FROM the local teams (ie ossett town) and develop talent. as a junior player i was very fortunate that to represent my district and a few failed attempts with pro clubs when on trial- i also had the pleasure to play with a lad called Lee Crooks (i think he's at bradford city but has played first team football at barnsley amongst other clubs (there was talk of him coming to ossett town in close season) and at 16 years old was captain of england and went to to the much admired lillyshall (apologies for the spelling) national school of excellance besides being considered one of the brightest talents in the country. my point here is that just cos a kid is amazing at 11 it doesn't mean that he will be at 19 or 20. theo walcott didn't play football until he was about 13 years old- fact. to simply not allow lads to play football because some under-qualified coach thinks he might not be very good at it i find disgraceful.
local teams should seek to provide young lads and lasses the opportunity to play a fantastic sport and leave the 'selecting' the talent to qualified and experienced scouts and district teams.
you wouldn't understand that though, you're one of those people who thinks that a medal for one lad is great as long 7 other lads have to watch from the sideline in the rain every sunday just wishing they could be given 10 minutes.
some junior teams at ossett town win games 17 and 18-nil. do you think this acceptable? do you think this is beneficial for either side? or a you massaging your own ego as you never made it as footballer?
once the lads are 15 or 16 then i think it's a different kettle of fish all together- congratulations to Thommo's team for their success by the way, well done lads. i'd also like to say that, after a spending a session with them, that they're the nicest, well-rounded bunch of lads i've ever met in junior football. cheers lads, keep up the good work.
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Post by Thommo on Jun 2, 2006 12:25:41 GMT
I can give you a similar example, our own Luke Staton (looks a bit like you tats), he was in the same England youth side as Wes Brown, Michael Owen, Jonathan Woodgate, Michael Branch, Jody Morriss and a few more. However why should Ossett be a feeding ground for the pro clubs and district sides as you put it. Why can't we strive to be the fed rather than being the feeder. Why when young kids are approached at 9 yrs old should they wish to leave to Man Utd for example. Kids who spend more time in the car than on the pitch. A balance is what we should be trying to achieve, quality coaching (possibly paid coaches who are not parents) in both football and social skills but an open-door policy. If an opportunity exists to improve the facilities for all the community and be of benefit to the supporters of Ossett Town not just the members then why not grasp it and move forward. There should be no "waiting lists" for kids to join but unfortunately a coach can only supervise so many. The scouting system is by no means flawless and the quality of coaching can always be subject to debate - being the most qualified coach doesn't necessarily mean he/she is the best coach. There is a significant amount of evidence to prove that a child who is academically advanced at age 8 will be academically advanced at 18- there is no such evidence to support the same principle in Football. The pro-clubs take a gamble, fill their teams and cast aside any kids who are not good enough as and when they decide. They know only too well that a squad of 15 may only have 1 or 2 who may proceed but in the meantime fixtures have to be fulfilled. But as most are aware much of the debate is not about all this, most parents and kids and coaches carry on week in week out doing the best for the kids and having a bit of a social on the side.It's also about the fact that Ossett Town is operating as a closed-shop the reasons for this are not clear and are in fact detrimental to anything that is good about running a football club.
and finally it's about people speaking who are mis-informed like I said ages ago . I'm not having a go at young tats here but what is his source of information? How many junior games has he seen in the last 3-5 years. I thank him for his comments when he trained with the 16's and that was obviously a positive experience. Do the same with a few more, things are really good at the club but like I've said on numerous occasions having a code of conduct, equal opportunities policy, complaints procedure and anti-bullying policy doesn't make you foolproof but when things do go wrong that is when we have to stand up and be counted.
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Post by father jack on Jun 2, 2006 14:17:19 GMT
and there endeth the lesson from the Reverend Thommo Amen and i'll drink to that ;D
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Post by Young Tats on Jun 2, 2006 17:19:58 GMT
ok i so i have come on again!
some top points there from Thommo, i visited holland a few years ago and could do nothing but admire their principles regarding junior football.
for those who do not know, in holland they operate a streaming system (similar to what schools do for maths and english etc) so the 'set 1' footballers only play against 'set 1' footballers and the poor podgy lad with two left feet, asthma and a squint would, say, be in 'set 6'. The structure is so that lads, despite of ability, get to play the game they love week in, week out. The first problem anyone in this country would encounter, i would strongly assume, is the lack of volunteers to help run the project- and it would have to be national, something i wish Howard Wilkinson would examine more closely. if a child begins to dominate in his 'set' then he would simply be moved up a notch into the next set to match his ability with other players. ANY and i mean ANY child in holland who wants to play football can do so- a long way from not just ossett town juniors but junior football on a national scale.
before anyone attempts to nominate me for the Nobel Prize for Contributions to Junior Football i think the concept is largely brilliant as when one considers the size of holland and the skillful players it seems to produce (though it could be said the national team under achieves but ours hasn't faired any better). My last point is that in holland, and more famously, brazil- football is almost a non-contact sport up until the age of about 12 which enables the more skillful players to be developed as they believe they can teach a boy to tackle in 6 months but will take 6 years to teach skills.
interesting idea, i think i do probably get on my high horse about such issues and i probably direct my anger at ossett town juniors- i concede this is unfair as, justin pointed out in another post, this is true of junior football all over the country.
i may live in too much of an ideal world, but in the words of John Lennon- imagine!
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Post by Mark Chapman on Jun 2, 2006 21:21:35 GMT
dont be quoting Lennon to me dear boy, i was priveliged enough to hear his last words, which were
AAAAARGH!
;D
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